I want to know why people were collapsing on the street in China. Is it so bad that you'll try to drag yourself to your job even when you can't breath anymore? Is it just that not being able to breath is so usual - you don't know when it is a BAD case of not being able to breath? 

Why were there so many zombie apocalypse videos coming out of China right before the storm hit? 

A regular cold can kill you. The super cold can REALLY kill you. I think the Left capitalized it to leverage fear against Trump - and I think the Right in turn downplayed it. The right move would have been to go, 

"It is serious - very serious - and we're doing the best we can - but the Democrats aren't doing any favors to anyone but themselves by politicizing it. They wouldn't be doing any better." 

There weren't enough people saying things like that. 

Sun Apr 04 2021 01:55:53 MST from "Wangiss" <wangiss@wallofhate.com>

My wife is agoraphobic, so the pandemic has been almost a non-event for me. The first three weeks we were being shown Chinese streets full of corpses and Italy losing thousands per week. After that it was obviously just a super cold.

I just wish I could take my wife out to a restaurant again. She gets panic attacks wearing a a mask. 

I am neither an Anti-Masker or an Anti-Vaxxer... 

But this report is troubling and the numbers seem credible: 

The Safety of COVID-19 Vaccinations—We Should Rethink the Policy

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm

Currently, our estimates show that we have to accept four fatal and 16 serious side effects per 100,000 vaccinations in order to save the lives of 2–11 individuals per 100,000 vaccinations, placing risks and benefits on the same order of magnitude.

Sat Jun 26 2021 08:47:26 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

Currently, our estimates show that we have to accept four fatal and 16 serious side effects per 100,000 vaccinations in order to save the lives of 2–11 individuals per 100,000 vaccinations, placing risks and benefits on the same order of magnitude.

I'll stop being anti-vax when people are allowed to sue for vaccine injuries.  https://vaers.hhs.gov/ is a fucking travesty.

I'll get a covid vaccine if they can show me that it's actually beneficial for ME.

I believe the general idea that getting VERY high vaccination is necessary to prevent spread *and* potential mutation in unvaccinated populations that could then present a serious threat to vaccinated ones.

That makes sense. The unvaccinated become the breeding ground from which a vaccine resistant mutant variation arises.

I wish they could better support this claim, without having it actually happen.

Wed Sep 22 2021 03:39:04 MST from TheDave

 

Sat Jun 26 2021 08:47:26 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

Currently, our estimates show that we have to accept four fatal and 16 serious side effects per 100,000 vaccinations in order to save the lives of 2–11 individuals per 100,000 vaccinations, placing risks and benefits on the same order of magnitude.

I'll stop being anti-vax when people are allowed to sue for vaccine injuries.  https://vaers.hhs.gov/ is a fucking travesty.

I'll get a covid vaccine if they can show me that it's actually beneficial for ME.

Wed Sep 22 2021 03:39:04 MST from TheDave

 

Sat Jun 26 2021 08:47:26 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

Currently, our estimates show that we have to accept four fatal and 16 serious side effects per 100,000 vaccinations in order to save the lives of 2–11 individuals per 100,000 vaccinations, placing risks and benefits on the same order of magnitude.

I'll stop being anti-vax when people are allowed to sue for vaccine injuries.  https://vaers.hhs.gov/ is a fucking travesty.

I'll get a covid vaccine if they can show me that it's actually beneficial for ME.

I had to be vaxed because I travel lots on planes and the company I founded all the sudden have lots of left wing idealists. Whatever, I got stuck twice. I figured the vax cant be worse than bad stuff I did without a condom in bangkok, barcelona and prague. In our family my mother was the only one that held out, no vax. She didnt want two bit half proven science. She is now dealing with a covid + diagnosis snce yesterday and coughing worse that a marlboro spokeswoman. Hope she makes it.

I got the booster yesterday. 

Still in the window of uncertainty. 

But, oddly enough - I used many of the same examples you just did for my justification. I've put lots of chemical cocktails inside my body recreationally in my lifetime - on PURPOSE, exactly FOR the toxic side effects - and I've also put myself in a lot of dangerous things, fast cars and fast women, just for the thrill of it. 

I wish there were an upside of the Covid Vaccination that made me want to take the risk other than "if it works, you probably won't die of Covid..." 

But I'm going to Houston for an F1 race in October, and to Italy in November... so... I kinda gotta do it. 

And, statistically, I don't think it is the MOST risky thing I've done - but statistics don't matter on the one you break the odds on - regardless of it is winning the lottery, going down in a commercial airliner, getting eaten by a shark, or getting struck by lightning. I always look at it as - "Well, if I go any of those ways... statistically I'm *special* and pretty unique..." at least I didn't go out in a highway accident or from heart failure like most average people. :) 

Thu Sep 30 2021 22:23:08 MST from smashbot64

 

Wed Sep 22 2021 03:39:04 MST from TheDave

 

Sat Jun 26 2021 08:47:26 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

Currently, our estimates show that we have to accept four fatal and 16 serious side effects per 100,000 vaccinations in order to save the lives of 2–11 individuals per 100,000 vaccinations, placing risks and benefits on the same order of magnitude.

I'll stop being anti-vax when people are allowed to sue for vaccine injuries.  https://vaers.hhs.gov/ is a fucking travesty.

I'll get a covid vaccine if they can show me that it's actually beneficial for ME.

I had to be vaxed because I travel lots on planes and the company I founded all the sudden have lots of left wing idealists. Whatever, I got stuck twice. I figured the vax cant be worse than bad stuff I did without a condom in bangkok, barcelona and prague. In our family my mother was the only one that held out, no vax. She didnt want two bit half proven science. She is now dealing with a covid + diagnosis snce yesterday and coughing worse that a marlboro spokeswoman. Hope she makes it.

pandemic tree before I teaser_tell you to read the whole story at citadel.smashbot.com

me_ = vax;

my_daughter = vax;

my_father = vax;

my_mother <> vax;

my_sister = vax;

my_brother = vax;

my_brother_wife'alias sister_in_law' = vax;

my_sisters_husband = vax #(klnda wife but I will deny ever typing this);

my_separated wife <> vax; 

my_separated_wife_bf <> vax;

my_gf = vax;

whatever i typed for  the last 20 vanished due to a combination key press. its gone. it was far reaching and heart felt and I am now too tired but to MacArthur Park that all over again. it was about feeding real code to a vax/vms server (may as well been just a furnace) and why laundromats should pick up where churches left off.

Something times out on the security check if you sit too long idle in Citadel. I had the same thing happen to me on a very long, very heartfelt message too. I understand the feeling. I apologize that the BBS did this to you. 

Shorter messages... post in parts... that is how I'll go forward. It isn't like there is so much traffic here you'll get interrupted. 

Last night or very early this morning, I lost a long message in a similar way. I'm considering composing my posts using notepad in another window (even Android's browser has windows - they're just called tabs), and then cutting and pasting it back here. I can do it on this Fire tablet or either of my Windows machines. I don't mind adding a step or three. I've been doing this since the seventies, and I remember when all of this was more complicated!

Didn't Citadel in Sacramento have a save-buffer like a word processor that would basically dump your post to disk so it could be recovered if you lost carrier or otherwise had something go FUBAR? 

It is amazing that 35 years later - we've lost that feature - mostly because it wasn't as likely for so long - but we've finally found a way to break it again. Security timeouts on TLS/SSL web connections, evidently. 

Hurricanes from butterfly wings. 

Mon Oct 04 2021 13:16:29 MST from Jerry Moore

Last night or very early this morning, I lost a long message in a similar way. I'm considering composing my posts using notepad in another window (even Android's browser has windows - they're just called tabs), and then cutting and pasting it back here. I can do it on this Fire tablet or either of my Windows machines. I don't mind adding a step or three. I've been doing this since the seventies, and I remember when all of this was more complicated!

Everyone else who got Covid and died... died of COVID. 

Collin Powell gets Covid and dies - while vaccinated - and he dies of COMPLICATIONS *related* to Covid. 

See how that works? 

Tue Oct 19 2021 15:56:00 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

Everyone else who got Covid and died... died of COVID. 

Collin Powell gets Covid and dies - while vaccinated - and he dies of COMPLICATIONS *related* to Covid. 

See how that works? 

Obviously the Covid couldn't have killed him, he was vaccinated, so you should get it too lol

Yeah. The vaccine didn't do it, either, right. The vaccine didn't do its job, though, clearly. 

Fri Oct 29 2021 02:50:17 MST from TheDave

 

Tue Oct 19 2021 15:56:00 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

Everyone else who got Covid and died... died of COVID. 

Collin Powell gets Covid and dies - while vaccinated - and he dies of COMPLICATIONS *related* to Covid. 

See how that works? 

Obviously the Covid couldn't have killed him, he was vaccinated, so you should get it too lol

So, #ThankYouJoeRogan is trending on Twitter - and as usual, a large percentage are using it ironically - claiming that he is exposing anti-Semites who support his "freedom of speech," and other such twisted logic. 


Bret Weinstein (The Jewish instructor who got caught up in the Evergreen University riots) - is one of the people who supports Rogans freedom of speech - and all the people attacking Rogan are ignoring Whoopi's comments that are right on the border of holocaust denial. 


We live in clown world. 


But beyond that, one poster in particular who thought he was witty claimed that they're anti-vax and only 3 of his immediate family and a handful of cousins are on life support. 

Which made me instantly go, "What kind of laundry list of pre-existing conditions does YOUR family have if 3 immediate family members and even more distant family members are on vents from OMNICROM?" 


And that further made me think - we've all seen the reports that average life expectancy is down by about 2-4 years globally because of Covid-19, right? 


But that has further implications. 


We all know that "pre-existing conditions," almost inevitably translates into *weight* related health issues. Usually obesity itself is an added risk factor, but additionally, weight related conditions like heart disease are in the bucket lists of indicators of increased morbidity from Covid-19. 

Gaffigan even has fit that into his latest comedy routine.

"What do 'comorbidities' mean? Why won't they tell us what the comorbidities are?"  

"It means if you're fat." 

So... here are some things I'd like to see... the average BMI of society over the last 2 years. 

The mean LIFE in years lived in society in the last 2 years. 

The number of people requiring ongoing medical care because of pre existing conditions over the last 2 years. That is, people who require Durable Medical Equipment like scooters because they're immobile, for example. 

All of this eventually translates into THOSE WHO ARE PRODUCTIVE in society vs. those who are a net burden on society. 

So, engineered or not - it seems clear that Covid is culling the herd. MOST of the people dying are a net burden on society, gross consumers and under producers. The very elderly, those suffering morbid obesity and the clinical side effects of that. 

I bet if we had studies from this time period we would see correlations between a lot of things of the nature of "What about all the good things Hitler did..." in the sense that society is globally YOUNGER and more fit than it has probably been for decades. 

But have you noticed the media kind of shut their mouth about the fact that average life expectancy age is down across the globe? Probably because that research leads to asking these other questions. 

And I think those answers make it look MORE like this was an intentionally engineered biothreat. It is GOOD for GNPs, it is good for economic health, it is good for Governments pushing social safety nets - if the people most likely to consume those resources are *gone*. 

One of the biggest obstacles to getting Single Payer Healthcare moved through in America is a lot of people secretly suspect that they'll be being forced to pay for ongoing healthcare costs for the 400 pound guy who still chain smokes and rides his mobility scooter down to McDonald's twice a day, while hooked up to his portable oxygen tank, to eat 6 Big Macs and wash it down with a Tubby sized all corn-sugar Coca-Cola. And traditionally, they're not wrong. That is exactly who is going to benefit most from Single Care socialized medicine. The guy who has been on SSI since his first quadruple bypass forced him to leave the workforce in 2015. 

But... Covid is taking care of those guys. 

It is all very convenient - and the omissions in data are as important as what governments and State-aligned media have revealed. 

It does seem very convenient. It was just a few years ago I was reading how the long-term consequences of our rapidly aging population, both in our country and abroad. Japan was on track to have serious issues, both in terms of having enough people to care for the elderly and large geographic areas where the majority of people is approaching 70 years old in some locals. One of the reasons that Japan has been pushing for robotic health care and remote care is because they've seen this coming for years. Many countries are below the the traditional "replacement" birthrate and more labor shortages are on the horizon. 

 The pandemic may have given us all some more time on this and if additionally, you believe that we're on track for more global warming related issues, the pandemic "helped" shift the workforce to remote work, global production was forced down, excess death rate is up.  

 The timing and form of the pandemic fit very nicely into what someone might engineer to resolve some of these issues for governments around the world. I don't think that it is out of the realm of possibility at all. I can easily see some shady think tank putting this all together for any number of governments, including our own.

Watch Tucker Carlson and then watch some old 90s or 80s apocalypse or V for Vendetta type movie... Children of Men... 

And Jesus if we're NOT living in the authoritarian Apocalypse-in-Progress that fiction predicted 20 years ago. 

The weird thing is that those movies always cast Jude Law or whoever as the "crackpot Right Wing reactionary alt-journalist that had no credibility". 

And always cast this character as being the one that was spot on all along. 

We did not live in a dystopian omnipresent State surveillance, China-is-the-good-guys sci fi thriller in 2016. We do now. Hell, if Trump manages to get elected in 2024 and somehow declares himself as an actual Martial Law president with popular support - maybe he is worse than the next Hitler. Maybe he is the AntiChrist. 

 Didn't Morton Downey Jr. play the Tucker Carlson part in one of those. Was it They Live? 


I mean... Alex Jones has actually established credibility on several of his claims. I forget which they were now - but the dude was RIGHT on some fairly significant shit. 


I can't wait (I can... this is facetious) until corner quik-e-marts in major urban areas in America start experiencing suicide bombings on a regular basis and the military police our streets instead of civilian police forces. That is what Defund the Police is about - BTW - removing local police with ties to the community, who live in the community, with Federal forces with loyalty on to the central Government. 

We're at 7.9 billion people. If we lost half of that, we would be at 1984 levels of population. The world was still pretty crowded then. 

1 out of every 2 people on the earth takes us back to 1984 levels of population. 

 How fucked are we?

What the hell happened to The Dave and Wangiss? You showed up with all humility and they vanished. They're the only two users I have on this BBS. It is just you and me, pal - and if you scared them away somehow... this is your Hotel California. :) 

Wed Feb 09 2022 22:25:08 MST from thanatos

It does seem very convenient. It was just a few years ago I was reading how the long-term consequences of our rapidly aging population, both in our country and abroad. Japan was on track to have serious issues, both in terms of having enough people to care for the elderly and large geographic areas where the majority of people is approaching 70 years old in some locals. One of the reasons that Japan has been pushing for robotic health care and remote care is because they've seen this coming for years. Many countries are below the the traditional "replacement" birthrate and more labor shortages are on the horizon. 

 The pandemic may have given us all some more time on this and if additionally, you believe that we're on track for more global warming related issues, the pandemic "helped" shift the workforce to remote work, global production was forced down, excess death rate is up.  

 The timing and form of the pandemic fit very nicely into what someone might engineer to resolve some of these issues for governments around the world. I don't think that it is out of the realm of possibility at all. I can easily see some shady think tank putting this all together for any number of governments, including our own.

 

And I'm your doorman. 

I'm pretty sure I didn't scare anyone off, especially not Wangiss or The Dave. My interactions with the former have been congenial and if the friction The Dave and I have had were a concern he could just use this forum to give me a piece of his mind if I needed to be given it. Anyways, where are the warez man. :P

 It should be interesting to see how things go as CA is starting to treat the pandemic as an endemic threat. Does that mean a return to greater freedom. or at least break from the headlong rush towards coercive measures or does it instead mean making the state of emergency the new normal?

You know where my money is. 

:) 

They've been absent on Facebook too - well, other than that I got banned again so I can't be sure of this. 

Sun Feb 13 2022 22:13:38 MST from thanatos

I'm pretty sure I didn't scare anyone off, especially not Wangiss or The Dave. My interactions with the former have been congenial and if the friction The Dave and I have had were a concern he could just use this forum to give me a piece of his mind if I needed to be given it. Anyways, where are the warez man. :P

 It should be interesting to see how things go as CA is starting to treat the pandemic as an endemic threat. Does that mean a return to greater freedom. or at least break from the headlong rush towards coercive measures or does it instead mean making the state of emergency the new normal?