I'm glad that some trashy movies that are nevertheless devoid of bullshit still get made because they can rely on the world audience. Daddy's Home 2 and Transformers 14(?) are excellent at avoiding SJWisms and making significant portions of a billion dollars each because they'll play in Morocco and Japan and Spain and the American Breadbasket.

Sometimes you want to come in from mowing the lawn and eat a burger you just grilled while sitting on the couch, put on some passive entertainment and let post-cancelation Mel Gibson and uncancelable Hannibal Burress give you some low-effort chuckles. This is normal humanity, the truth about life, and no ideology can't unravel that. 

I have very little desire to watch TV or movies. I just... they don't do it for me. I get it that it matters for a LOT of people. If the medium died tomorrow, I'd hardly notice. 

They've made it incredibly easy not to care, though. 

Mon Mar 29 2021 16:13:29 MST from Wangiss

I'm glad that some trashy movies that are nevertheless devoid of bullshit still get made because they can rely on the world audience. Daddy's Home 2 and Transformers 14(?) are excellent at avoiding SJWisms and making significant portions of a billion dollars each because they'll play in Morocco and Japan and Spain and the American Breadbasket.

Sometimes you want to come in from mowing the lawn and eat a burger you just grilled while sitting on the couch, put on some passive entertainment and let post-cancelation Mel Gibson and uncancelable Hannibal Burress give you some low-effort chuckles. This is normal humanity, the truth about life, and no ideology can't unravel that. 

Now that the Infinity Gauntlet movies are done I'm not sure I care at all about Hollywood, unless they can show me a Doctor Doom worthy of the name.  I highly doubt it.

We watched part of the last one - with Woke Hulk and Fat Thor, on TV last night in the room. It made me realize how badly they damaged the franchise with all that shit at the very end. 

It was a stupid direction to take it. The people responsible for this shit in Hollywood should be flogged. 

Sat Apr 24 2021 05:32:41 MST from TheDave

Now that the Infinity Gauntlet movies are done I'm not sure I care at all about Hollywood, unless they can show me a Doctor Doom worthy of the name.  I highly doubt it.

Sun Apr 25 2021 18:46:41 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

We watched part of the last one - with Woke Hulk and Fat Thor, on TV last night in the room. It made me realize how badly they damaged the franchise with all that shit at the very end. 

It was a stupid direction to take it. The people responsible for this shit in Hollywood should be flogged. 

 

I was fine with Fat Thor, since he was just as mighty as always, and showing that even superheroes can get depressed and fat was actually kinda cool.  Woke Hulk was really just obviously going to happen with the way Mark Ruffalo is.

Oh, I think Fat Thor was awesome as fuck - and I'd totally love to hang out with him. 

He is far more interesting than the douchebags who wrote him that way - but it shows for all their bullshit talk about how you can't body shame, and how you have to respect mental illness and depression. They project it onto a white straight male archtype, and the revel in mocking it. That is the basic problem with the depiction of the character. It is an expose of their inherent hypocrisy. 

Douchebag Hulk was just what sealed the deal. That is THEIR archtype. All the same qualities as the white straight male archtype - but not quite white, and perfectly humble and self-aware and modest and... *gag*. 

Fri Apr 30 2021 17:09:55 MST from TheDave

 

Sun Apr 25 2021 18:46:41 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

We watched part of the last one - with Woke Hulk and Fat Thor, on TV last night in the room. It made me realize how badly they damaged the franchise with all that shit at the very end. 

It was a stupid direction to take it. The people responsible for this shit in Hollywood should be flogged. 

 

I was fine with Fat Thor, since he was just as mighty as always, and showing that even superheroes can get depressed and fat was actually kinda cool.  Woke Hulk was really just obviously going to happen with the way Mark Ruffalo is.

Did I say this in here already?

If you want to watch a real movie, watch Charlton Heston as Long John Silver in a truly excellent and quite faithful rendition of Treasure Island. Teenage Christian Bale is the protagonist and ABSOLUTELY embodies Jim Hawkins. The acting is insanely good. The knife fights are legit. The cinematography is crack. The ship is yar and a marvel to behold.

I felt like I'd really seen a film by the time it was over.

I'd forgotten what that felt like. 

Apparently Antifa are the bad guys in the Falcon show, so that's a nice change of pace.  Maybe Disney is realizing that every time they do lefty pander bullshit they lose their shirts.

I may have to pay this some heed - having *never* really watched *any* version of Treasure Island. 

Sat May 08 2021 00:51:37 MST from Wangiss <wangiss@wallofhate.com>

Did I say this in here already?

If you want to watch a real movie, watch Charlton Heston as Long John Silver in a truly excellent and quite faithful rendition of Treasure Island. Teenage Christian Bale is the protagonist and ABSOLUTELY embodies Jim Hawkins. The acting is insanely good. The knife fights are legit. The cinematography is crack. The ship is yar and a marvel to behold.

I felt like I'd really seen a film by the time it was over.

I'd forgotten what that felt like. 

GTFO! *Elaine shove*



It is a bait and switch. They want to get a bunch of folks hoping, get them to subscribe, and then piss them off by firing the best actress on the show for taking an Anti-PC position. Again. 

 

Sun May 09 2021 15:53:25 MST from TheDave

Apparently Antifa are the bad guys in the Falcon show, so that's a nice change of pace.  Maybe Disney is realizing that every time they do lefty pander bullshit they lose their shirts.

My mom, who knows how much I loved the old Star Wars trilogy and how much I tend to enjoy the Marvel movies got us Disney Plus as our continuing Christmas gift since it started up, so I've been able to watch all the Mandalorian, which I enjoyed many parts of and the disappointingly crappy Boba Fett series (that they are finally improving by bringing the Mandalorian into the mix) and all the MCU titles, which I've enjoyed to some degree for the most part. 

 I look at them like comic books, so if the story sucks in one, I can just get next month's issue for a buck and hope it is better. 

 I have a feeling a lot of the Thor bashing you've been seeing is so they can bring in the female Thor, Jane Foster that they had for a bunch of years in the comics. I think Natalie Portman will play her. It was a good comic storyline, with an ending and everything, so some of what you are seeing could be part of prepping the audience for a change.

That said, I'm really not sure what the next wave of movies will give us. I thought the latest Spiderman movie was pretty good and feeds well into the Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness stories we're about to see, but I don't really think either Spiderman or Dr. Strange is a replacement for Iron Man\Cap. Though we may have Iron Potts or IronHeart showing up to help bridge the gap.

To me they are just serials. Tarzan, Lone Ranger, Buck Rogers. If I wanted to be challenged I would read a book. The special effects are always better with those.

The thing is, in the print universe, they always did these transitions in very organic, developed ways that were subtle and required a certain intellectual understanding and connection with the new character. 

Hollywood and the cinematic universe wants to go, "CUZ SOCIAL JUSTICE! BLACK IRON MAN! BLACK CAPTAIN AMERICA! FEMALE THOR! WE ARE INCLUSIVE!" 

With a mallet. Like... they have to spell out *this is all about tearing down the white straight male patriarchy!* 

Which... fuck that. They fucked off any opportunity they had with Jean Grey and Storm - they're slowly working on destroying Deadpool... 

And they always go, "but it is canon from the print universe!" 

Not the fucking way YOU'RE doing it in cinema, it isn't. 

"You're just threatened by strong black, or female leads..." 

Yeah... because Storm and Jean Grey and Kitty Pryde were just *hated* during the 80s in the comic fandom... 

We're turned off by shitty stories that don't respect the legacy of the characters and actively try to destroy their heritage. 

Mon Jan 31 2022 18:15:36 MST from thanatos

My mom, who knows how much I loved the old Star Wars trilogy and how much I tend to enjoy the Marvel movies got us Disney Plus as our continuing Christmas gift since it started up, so I've been able to watch all the Mandalorian, which I enjoyed many parts of and the disappointingly crappy Boba Fett series (that they are finally improving by bringing the Mandalorian into the mix) and all the MCU titles, which I've enjoyed to some degree for the most part. 

 I look at them like comic books, so if the story sucks in one, I can just get next month's issue for a buck and hope it is better. 

 I have a feeling a lot of the Thor bashing you've been seeing is so they can bring in the female Thor, Jane Foster that they had for a bunch of years in the comics. I think Natalie Portman will play her. It was a good comic storyline, with an ending and everything, so some of what you are seeing could be part of prepping the audience for a change.

That said, I'm really not sure what the next wave of movies will give us. I thought the latest Spiderman movie was pretty good and feeds well into the Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness stories we're about to see, but I don't really think either Spiderman or Dr. Strange is a replacement for Iron Man\Cap. Though we may have Iron Potts or IronHeart showing up to help bridge the gap.

To me they are just serials. Tarzan, Lone Ranger, Buck Rogers. If I wanted to be challenged I would read a book. The special effects are always better with those.

 

 

Mon Jan 31 2022 18:15:36 MST from thanatos

If I wanted to be challenged I would read a book. The special effects are always better with those.

 

Haha, correct. Well said.

Mon Jan 31 2022 21:02:14 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

We're turned off by shitty stories that don't respect the legacy of the characters and actively try to destroy their heritage. 

 

 

I think it's even deeper than that. I'm starting to see some patterns in the way our hormones interact with the objective world that give me a sense that "meaning" as we nebulously call it is a sort of abstraction of the urges that propel evolution. I've never been convinced that evolution was random. It feels more like we're becoming something specific. And the latest news in Nature says that the genome protects the most important parts of itself.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00142-2

What's the most important part of the human genome at this point? The part that maximizes human agency through cognition. And what stories will that part relate to? Stories that FEEL like MEANING. Stories about a person faced with a choice. Stories where values can be smashed against each other like a particle collider and we see higher and higher levels of detail about what's inside, what lasts, what we admire.

A consultant my employer pays lots of money to brags about how his team is 90% women. I don't care at all. That's not admirable. It's either an accident (which is fine) or it's random. But the work they're doing isn't better accomplished by women so it's a stupid point to make. If it were work that were better accomplished by women, then it would be smart but also a foregone conclusion in every culture but ours: women should do what they're best at. Duh. Are women better at making sure I uploaded my file to the correct link? I defy anyone to prove that they are, outside the margin of error.

I guess I've been deprogrammed now. I would have thought just five years ago "employing women is cool; they should work if they want to." But it's not cool, it's just normal. It's not interesting or special, it's just our culture, which has exactly one thing going for it, which is much more general: individualism. And individualism doesn't seem to me like working for 40k at a video factory. Yes, it counts as making your own choices, but it's not inspiring at all. Captain America leading the individualist side in Civil War? That's what I'm talking about.

So the fact that you can amp up a story to be more inspiring to more people doesn't seem like an accident or a cultural phenomenon because it's a human universal. And humans were bound to discover individualism as part of their apotheosis in my opinion. So here we go, evolving into individualists and learning to integrate that with collectivism. We're smashing the two things together right now for the first time. Before it was all just flavors of collectivism. Then the pirate John Hancock ordered another batch of English warships to steal and here we are. (Okay, okay, but it's my favorite oversimplification.)

Excuse me, this sentence

"It's either an accident (which is fine) or it's random."

was supposed to be

"It's either an accident (which is fine) or it's an exercise in faux virtue."

I very much enjoyed the Dr Strange movie but it feels like you should have watched WandaVision first, otherwise it doesn't really make sense.

I plan on seeing it a third time in the theatre, but this time in 3D.

But they're not making it more interesting. They're not making it more inclusive. They're not making it more diverse. They're driving people away - the less they focus on story, superficial story or deeper stories that FEEL like meaning - and focus on agenda and specific telegraphing of specific idealism - the less successful their films are. Every time this truth establishes itself in falling sales - they respond that it is the fault of the audience. "You don't like my story because you're not progressive enough!" 

Thu May 05 2022 14:15:55 MST from Wangiss <wangiss@wallofhate.com>

 

Mon Jan 31 2022 21:02:14 MST from ParanoidDelusions <paranoiddelusions@wallofhate.com>

We're turned off by shitty stories that don't respect the legacy of the characters and actively try to destroy their heritage. 

 

 

 

I think it's even deeper than that. I'm starting to see some patterns in the way our hormones interact with the objective world that give me a sense that "meaning" as we nebulously call it is a sort of abstraction of the urges that propel evolution. I've never been convinced that evolution was random. It feels more like we're becoming something specific. And the latest news in Nature says that the genome protects the most important parts of itself.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00142-2

What's the most important part of the human genome at this point? The part that maximizes human agency through cognition. And what stories will that part relate to? Stories that FEEL like MEANING. Stories about a person faced with a choice. Stories where values can be smashed against each other like a particle collider and we see higher and higher levels of detail about what's inside, what lasts, what we admire.

A consultant my employer pays lots of money to brags about how his team is 90% women. I don't care at all. That's not admirable. It's either an accident (which is fine) or it's random. But the work they're doing isn't better accomplished by women so it's a stupid point to make. If it were work that were better accomplished by women, then it would be smart but also a foregone conclusion in every culture but ours: women should do what they're best at. Duh. Are women better at making sure I uploaded my file to the correct link? I defy anyone to prove that they are, outside the margin of error.

I guess I've been deprogrammed now. I would have thought just five years ago "employing women is cool; they should work if they want to." But it's not cool, it's just normal. It's not interesting or special, it's just our culture, which has exactly one thing going for it, which is much more general: individualism. And individualism doesn't seem to me like working for 40k at a video factory. Yes, it counts as making your own choices, but it's not inspiring at all. Captain America leading the individualist side in Civil War? That's what I'm talking about.

So the fact that you can amp up a story to be more inspiring to more people doesn't seem like an accident or a cultural phenomenon because it's a human universal. And humans were bound to discover individualism as part of their apotheosis in my opinion. So here we go, evolving into individualists and learning to integrate that with collectivism. We're smashing the two things together right now for the first time. Before it was all just flavors of collectivism. Then the pirate John Hancock ordered another batch of English warships to steal and here we are. (Okay, okay, but it's my favorite oversimplification.)